The two women created by God: Eve and Lilith

"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."] Genesis 1

And then in Genesis 2:

And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.  And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So which is it, did God make them both at the same time, male and female?  Or did he make Adam and then had pity on him being alone?  Some believe that there is a third answer and that God did it both ways at two different times.  Meaning that there were two women who were created by God, the first one created alongside and with Adam in one act of creation as described in Genesis 1.  That woman and Adam had a falling out and left Adam along in Eden going out into the world by herself, and that is when God felt sorry that Adam was along and made his another woman from his rib.

According to midrashic literature, Adam's first wife was not Eve but a woman named Lilith, “At the same time Jehovah created Adam, he created a woman, Lilith, who like Adam was taken from the earth. She was given to Adam as his wife. But there was a dispute between them about a matter that when it came before the judges had to be discussed behind closed doors. She spoke the unspeakable name of Jehovah and vanished.”

It seems that the big different between Adam and Lilith was how to fuck, they both wanted to be on top.  “Adam, as a way of asserting his authority over Lilith, insisted that she lie beneath him during sexual intercourse (23 A-B). Lilith, however, considering herself to be Adam's equal, refused, and after pronouncing the Ineffable Name (i.e. the magic name of God) flew off into the air.” 

Adam pissed off both because he had no one to fuck and that she would not bow to his will ask God to intervene, so God sent three angels, named Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, who found her in the Red Sea.  They threaten Lilith that one hundred of her sons would die every day, she refused to return to Adam, musta been a whole lot of fucking going on before she got pissed off enough to leave.  Well she refused to go back to him making some sort of deal with the angles, and God made Adam a new woman from his own rib so he could be the dominant one and have sex missionary style.

“Lilith also personified licentiousness and lust. In the Christian Middle Ages she, or her female offspring, the lilim, became identified with succubae (the female counterparts of incubi) who would copulate with men in their sleep, causing them to have nocturnal emissions or "wet dreams."”  Through the literature of the Kabbalah, Lilith became fixed in Jewish demonology where her primary role is that of strangler of children and a seducer of men. The Kabbalah further enhanced her demonic character by making her the partner of Samael (i.e. Satan) and queen of the realm of the forces of evil.”

Through her couplings with the devil (or with Adam, as his succubus), Lilith gave birth to one hundred demonic children a day (the one hundred children threatened with death by the three angels). In this way, Lilith was held responsible for populating the world with evil. If you ask how Lilith herself, the first wife of Adam, became evil, the answer lies in her insubordination to her husband Adam. It is her independence from Adam, her position beyond the control of a male, that makes her "evil."

“Lilith is referred to only once in the Old Testament. In the Darby translation of Isaiah 34:14 the original Hebrew word is rendered as "lilith"; according to Isaiah, when God's vengeance has turned the land into a wilderness, "there shall the beasts of the desert meet with the jackals, and the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; the lilith also shall settle there, and find for herself a place of rest." The same word is translated elsewhere, however, as "screech owl, "night creatures," "night monsters," and "night hag." 

Now I do not know the truth of any of this, but it does explain the two different stories regarding the creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis 1 & 2.

Everything is quotation comes from Christopher L.C.E. Witcomb writings, and a like to his page is in the first comment below.

The Plan

The Political Class, the Councilmen, Mayors, Representatives and Senators, County, City, State, and Nation they think that they are the movers and shakers, he one who make things get done.  But they are but the stagehands setting the stage for the real actors the people. The people who work and live their lives in anonymity to the movers and shakers.  The workers, Doctors, Plumbers, The Carpenters, Lawyers, Engineers, The Farmers, Mechanics, Labors, The Technicians, Nurses, Clerks, and on and on and on and on… The People.

The people's stories are seldom told, other than by word of mouth.

But upon this stage they play out their lives In Drama, Comedies, Farces, and yes As often as not in Tragedies. Or, as the Man said: “Full of sound and fury

Signifying nothing”, from top to bottom. The Lord has a Plan And everything is going accordingly.  The Muckedey Mucks live at the top; on the back of the Mucks’ who carry the load.  The high and the mighty, the rich and the powerful

They are all in the palm of His hand working for His plan’s fulfillment,

Willingly or not they put each piece in its place Like when the brother’s sold Joseph into slavery for their own reasons to work God’s plan.

Now come to today and do you think just because time has passed

That God has forgotten His plan? What plan is that, you ask?

Why you really do know, it started when Adam took on sin,

And worked on out to where Jesus came to put to an end

To the separation from God we have endured from our birth into sin

That has led to the death of every soul borne unto flesh.

To move us, His creature, made in His image and likeness

From the corruptible to the incorruptible, from the finite to the infinite.

In His plan’s working death came into the world by the actions

Of one man’s disobedience when Adam partook of the forbidden fruit

And came to know that he stood naked before God.

And the Son of Man’s obedience unto His death on the cross

Devouring the fruit of sin which was death when He arose from the grave.

What you say, that was a long time ago and we are still dying?

True, but the plan, remember the plan?  It is not complete until Jesus Returns,

And the adversary is locked away into the fiery pits of Hell.

Ripple

As William Faulkner put it in his Requiem for a Nun: “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

The present always comes,

But it never arrives free.

It arrives each day wrapped

In the chains of our past.

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It is always past decisions

That presents our choices of today.

And all those decisions

Was not all made by us.

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Parents, friends, loved ones

Hated ones, and unknown ones.

All have made choices

That forced us to choose.

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Who our Mothers decided to mate

Brought us into our very being.

How many years did others

Decide where and how we would live?

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Their decisions brought our realities

Into their existence

Even more so

Then we ourselves.

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Now that we walk apart

From our parents

Do not think for a second

That we are not bound to them.

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It was through their ways

That we came into our ways.

It was their idea that

Led us to our ideas.

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It takes more than a

Ripple On the surface

To affect the sediment

On the bottom of the lake.

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Opinions

You are entitled to your opinion, when you put forth your opinion into the marketplace of idea it is not you that should be attacked, rather your opinion. In turn you refine and defend your opinion. This is the dialectic art of arriving at the truth, it would be very naive of me to think that everyone will agree with what I think, when someone, like some has often done, challenges me on the facts I put forth, or on the conclusion I have drawn, I must go back and insure that I have my facts correct, and the logic I used to reach my conclusions are sound. One’s worldview will always color one’s opinion, but it should not blind you to reality.

One must start from where ever one finds one’s self to be, and pick each decision as best of their capabilities as they try to move from where they are to where they want to be. If you have chosen to be a champion of a cause, just as I have, our causes may different, mine being Libertinisms and dispelling error as I see it, while you may be the cause of the less fortunate in the world, or to get someone elected. You cannot enter into the fray of ideas with a thin skin; you must strive to improve both your rhetoric and logic in order to get your opinion a fair hearing in the marketplace of ideas.

When we try to convince others of the rightness of our cause we use rhetoric to do so, when we frame an argument we use logic to build its structure. We cannot let ridicule nor ad hominem attacks deter us from championing our cause. Our feeling are of no consequences, our arguments stand or fall upon the logic and rhetoric we use to present them.

I do not believe that anyone has ever found a missing link as to what the horse was before it was a horse. In matters of faith proof does nothing to dissuade only to reinforce what one already believer, one will always pick the facts that reinforce their beliefs and reject the ones that go counter to that belief.  . My God is a God of revelation, if He does not reveal Himself to you, you cannot see Him, He elects who will believe and disbelieves in Him.  In this I am a bigot, as many people are in their beliefs, my mind is closed to any counter argument, you cannot persuade me not to believe.

If this attitude was held only in what we call matter of faith than the conversion of other's opinions to more reflect your own would, indeed, be a matter of  looking at the facts, framing an argument, and delivering it.  The other would either see the errors of his ways or in his argument convince you of yours.  Alas, for many of us,  see our worldview as divinely revealed and beyond the touch of logic.  The true believer, the fanatic, the foot soldier of the cause.  His truth is the only truth, and he knows it is true because it is the Cause.

He is not the leader of the cause, the leader gives him the direction he has been looking for, a cause that give him, in his eyes, meaning.  His faith in his cause is unshakable, he is steadfast, and reliable.  The only opinions that count or the opinions held by the cause.  What is the cause?  Is it a good cause, an evil cause, it does not matter to the believer as long as he can be convinced it is the right cause. External propaganda converts him to the cause, and internal propaganda keeps him blind to any other way of seeing the world.  He only talks to people who agrees with his cause, will not have a conversation with anyone who hold a different opinion, they are at best misguided, and at worst an evil member of another cause.

Left Causes:  Progressiveness, Socialism, Communism, Gay Rights, Occupiers, ACORN, etc.

Right Causes: Christianity, Tea Party, Right to Lifers, etc.

There is no reconciliation possible between the left and right causes, and only traitors betray their cause.

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Worth, Cost, Price, and Value

Nothing has an importance that you did not give it, nothing has the power to make you sad unless you give it that power, and when you give someone outside of yourself to make you happy you are bound to another's trip into sadness, for it is our realization of our expectation that brings forth the happiness we derive from that which is outside of ourselves.  It is the failure of that whomever or whatever, to live up to our expectation which bring on our sadness.  The wise person learns to be in the world but not of the world, taking both the realization and failures of their expectation in stride and know that it, no matter what it is, will surely pass.

Consider the concepts of value, worth, and cost.  Something we put a value on because everyone else does, diamond and gold are examples of things we value because everyone else does.  Sometimes we put a value on things that no one else gives a hoot about, the name we give this is sentimental value.  How much we personally value something does not depend upon what everyone else values, rather it is determined by what it is worth to us, but to obtain and hold it is controlled by its cost and what we can pay.

This is where the importance comes in for being of limited resources we must prioritize between wants and needs.  Our wants to expand to all good things, what we can afford varies according to our situations.   When I was young I wanted that new fast pretty sports car, but I had to settle for what I needed and could afford, a used car that burnt oil.  It was important that I have transportation, and I needed a car if I was to be able to go back and forth to work in order to earn the money for both what I needed and what I wanted.

I like gold and diamond but would much rather have other things,  so their value to me would be only trade them for other things that have more worth to me.  So what is something worth?  It is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, nothing more, and nothing less.  When you hear on television, "Hold on a minute, I we will add this for the same price.  No we are not done yet, if you order today we will give you this and that.  Am amazon $500 value all for $19.99, just pay additional shipping for all the freebies!"  What is all this stuff worth?  $19.99 if you are willing to pay it?  No, for the shipping and handling adds $9 for the original item cost, and another $9 for the free things bringing the total to 37.99 plus tax.  Or the pitch might go like this, "Order right now and we will double the order, just pay additional processing"   A good deal?  Depends upon whether you wanted the stuff or not and what you would have had to pay for it otherwise.  Only you can decide if it is worth it to you or not.  But just know this, there are no free things, everything comes with a cost.

The cost may be reflected in money, but just as easily be seen in the amount of time you had to devote to it. Or in what you had to give up in order to spend your time and money on what you decided to get.  Economist calls this an opportunity cost.  When you decide to go here you cannot go there at the same time so the cost of going there was not going here.  In the example above you can be assured that whoever is selling all that stuff for $19.99 is making a profit else they would not be selling it for very long.  The additional shipping and handling assuredly does not only cover the cost of the shipping, but the cost of the item as well, and a bit of profit.

Most of us as we go through life gets better at prioritizing our needs and wants but the difference between the two sometimes merge.  I may have just wanted that new BMW I bought, but once brought the payments need to be made.  You may have just wanted that dog, but once you have it you need to take care of it.  Wants once achieved is bringing needs along with them.

All I have said about value, worth, and cost applies to personal relationships too.  Love is a value that most of us cherish, but as with all things valued it comes with a cost.  Love comes in different stripes:

Eros, Philia, Agapē, Storge, and Thelema.  I will give the full definition of each of these below, but for now I will just be referring to Eros the passionate love, with sensual desire and longing between a man and a woman.

The first cost that choosing one's love is the forbearance of all others.  The opportunity cost of picking a loved one, is the first cost and can grow burdensome for some.  It is sometimes called the "7 year itch", and for some becomes an unbearable cost, and leads to a search for the one that should have been the one.  For some this opportunity cost is so light as not to be a consideration, but how many times have you heard someone say, "I wasted the best years of my life on him/her!"  That is buyers remorse in matters of the heart.  It leads to what we call 'cheating' or 'playing around', and puts decision upon the partner, is putting up with this new behavior is worth it or not.  To decide to divorce bring about a whole new set of cost involving the children, if any, and the lawyers and court costs.  For some it is worth it, for others it is not and they either cheat in retaliation  or just put up with it because they value the relation enough to pay its cost.

The cost of searching for a loved one, dating, and then courting once the heart's desire is found has been a cost that falls mostly on men, but women pay a cost too.  They have to put up with the expectations of their suitors.  When a lot of men take a woman out, spend a lot of money on the date, they expect sex as their just reward.  And in today's attitude on sex many women accept the condition.  They are willing to pay this price for the date.  For other this cost is not worth it because of the values they hold.

Once you fall in love you grant a lot of power to the one you are in love with.  They can hurt you like no others can.  This is only true because you give them the power to do it.  In a relationship we all pay the cost of failed expectations.  When we do this it is    a cost we impose on ourselves whether we know it or not.  When we expect our loved one to behave in a certain way and they don't we are hurt.  We blame the hurt on their behavior  but it was our own expectation of what they should have done that is the genesis of cost.  We expect them to remember our birthdays, anniversary, and act accordingly to our expectation and when they don't we pay the price of disappointment.

We expect them to be truthful to us, and when they are not they impose a cost on the relation that may or may not make it worth holding on to the relation.  If we had no expectation of their being truthful they would be no disappointment and thus no cost to bare.  Again it is our own expectations that cause the pain, and when we have expectations of others we open ourselves to disappointment.

What then, are you to just give up on expecting things from those you love?  By no means!  But I would advise you to consider the true source of your disappointment, and weigh the true cost that the relationship must bear.  When the other fails to meet your expectation, say they did not take your side in an argument, by what right do we expect they should take our part?  What if they don't think we were on the right side of the argument, or didn't have a dog in that fight?  We go home in a huff, and make the other sleep by them self in punishment for failing to meet our own expectation of what they should have done.

Some cost should not be born no matter how much we value the relationship.  Any physical hitting should break the bank, as well as a constant verbal assault on how useless and worthless you are should be your ticket to the door.  Yet we all either know or know of   people who stay in such relations for years.  We cannot choose what is of worth for another, the price that they are willing to pay is in their hands  not ours.

For those lucky enough all of the costs of the relation pail in comparison with what is gained by being in the relation.  A fair bargain has been entered into by both parties where all cost is equally shared as well as the befits giving great value to the relationship.

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I have gone on long enough in this vain for now, may return the subject in the future.  Below are the different types of love I was talking about above:

* Eros (ἔρως érōs) is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing. The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "(romantic) love". However, eros does not have to be sexual in nature. Eros can be interpreted as a love for someone whom you love more than the philia love of friendship. It can also apply to dating relationships as well as marriage. Plato refined his own definition. Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. It should be noted Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction". Plato also said eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros. The most famous ancient work on the subject of eros is Plato's Symposium, which is a discussion among the students of Socrates on the nature of eros.

* Philia (φιλία philía), which means friendship in modern Greek, a dispassionate virtuous love, was a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philia denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers. This is the only other word for "love" used in the ancient text of the New Testament besides agape, but even then it is used substantially less frequently.

* Agapē (ἀγάπη agápē) means "love" in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means"I love you". In Ancient Greek it often refers to a general affection rather than the attraction suggested by "eros"; agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for a good meal, one's children, and the feelings for a spouse. It can be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard. The verb appears in the New Testament describing, amongst other things, the relationship between Jesus and the beloved disciple. In biblical literature, its meaning and usage is illustrated by self-sacrificing, giving love to all--both friend and enemy. It is used in Matthew 22:39, "Love your neighbour as yourself," and in John 15:12, "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you," and in 1 John 4:8, "God is love." However, the word "agape" is not always used in the New Testament in a positive sense. II Timothy 4:10 uses the word in a negative sense. The Apostle Paul writes,"For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved (agapo) this present world...." Thus the word "agape" is not always used of a divine love or the love of God. Christian commentators have expanded the original Greek definition to encompass a total commitment or self-sacrificial love for the thing loved. Because of its frequency of use in the New Testament, Christian writers have developed a significant amount of theology based solely on the interpretation of this word.

* Storge (στοργή storgē) means "affection" in modern Greek; it is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family.

* Thelema (θέλημα thélēma) means "desire" in modern Greek; it is the desire to do something, to be occupied, to be in prominence.

Source: wikipedia